Official: the Chinese people never allow other countries to interfere with internal affairs (4)

10:13, October 17, 2009      

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Dalai Lama must change his position if he really wants to improve relationship with the central government.

Focus: Your side halted talks with the Dalai Lama's personal representatives at the end of 2008. Under what conditions you would resume the talks?

Zhu: First I have to make it clear that it was not the central government but the Dalai Lama side that halted the talks. And this was not the first time for him to abruptly stopped contacts with the central government. It first took place in the early 1990s. Following several contacts with the central government in the late 1970s and early 1980s, the Dalai Lama realized that it would be impossible to make breakthrough in persuading the central government to accept what he wanted. After the political turmoil in China in 1989 and the collapse of the Soviet Union, he made a wrong judgment that the Communist Party of China could not last long and the Chinese government would soon collapse. Then he announced stop of the contact and talks with the central government in the early 1990s.

The fact China did not collapse might be an unfortunate thing for the Dalai Lama. In 2002, he had no choice but to request for contacts with the central government again. Always being magnanimous, the central government conducted nine talks with the Dalai Lama's personal representatives, including three meetings last year.

During the third talks in last November, his personal representatives produced a memorandum, demanding for "real autonomy for all Tibetans". They even arrogantly requested the central government to accept the memorandum and use it as a base for future talks. At that moment we made it clear that the central government would not accept the memorandum because it still peddled for semi-independence, quasi independence or even the independence of Tibet. Then the representatives announced a stop of talks with us. Soon after that, also in November, the Dalai Lama group convened a conference of so-called "exiled Tibetans", in which they made a decision to halt the contact and talks with the central government. This is why we hold that it is the Dalai Lama who stopped the talks twice.

The stand of the central government remains unchanged, which means the door for contacts and talks is always open. However, only under the precondition that the Dalai Lama drops his separatist stance and behaviors could his personal future be discussed. If he still sticks to "Tibet independence", "semi-independence", or "covert independence", there is nothing to talk about. We are still on this stand. If the Dalai Lama side really intends to continue talks, he must first well explain why he cut off the talks twice last year, especially what they did on the second occasion. And secondly, although since last November the Dalai Lama and his followers they had done something foolish in halting the contact and hinted they still wanted to resume the talks, they still insisted the memorandum should be taken as the foundation of the talks. How could the talks produce any results since the central government has objected the memorandum? They must thoroughly and sincerely reconsider their political outlines and make corrections.

Focus: In what ways?

Zhu: It could be done in many ways. As long as you have idea and resolution, the channels always exist. Thirdly, from last year through this year, the Dalai Lama made light of hardships to visit some countries frequently. I once told his personal representative that it was inhumane for you to let such an aged person to go on errand at very high frequency. Due to the political nature of the Dalai group, his visit would certainly bring troubles that China and the country involved were not willing to see. The Dalai Lama should show restraint on such activities which disturbed the central government and were detrimental to friendly relations between China and relevant countries.

It's self-deceiving to label Dalai Lama as pure religious figure Focus: You are talking about the activities of the Dalai Lama. Do you mean these activities embody some of his political declarations? Do you mean they are with political context?

Zhu: To justify the Dalai Lama's visit, some countries' political figures made the excuse by saying that the Dalai Lama was a religious figure and the activities he has been engaged in were of religious instead of political nature. So they couldn't stop or restrain them. It's blankety-blank and self-deceiving. The Dalai Lama is of course a "Living Buddha" -- I hope he can remember his title of the Dalai Lama was conferred upon by the Chinese central government -- but he is more of a political refugee. He is both the political and religious head of the so-called "government in exile", which is a separatist political group. The Chinese government certainly wouldn't agree to allow such a person to engage in such activities in international community.

Whether the Dalai Lama has been only talking about religion as what he himself and some people repeatedly claimed? The facts are clear. Before I have this interview with you, I browsed over my drawer and found some documents including the Dalai Lama's speech at the United Kingdom's parliament on May 22 last year; his talk at the French senate on Aug. 13; and also at the European parliament on Dec. 4. It's interesting that I also found his remarks when he had an interview with the Deutsche Welle of your country. All these talks had nothing to do with religion. Instead, they are all political speech. It would be too long to cite all his remarks, let alone everybody has access to these materials. I just quote some remarks from his interview with the Deutsche Welle. He said the Communist Party of China (CPC) has ruled for 60 years, which could be the time for retirement. He said if the CPC retired now, it was an honorable retirement, but if the CPC was forced to step down by other political forces, it was not honorable anymore. I'd like to ask is this religion or politics.

The Dalai Lama on the one hand said he would have talks with the central government, and on the other hand asked the CPC to retire and step down. What does this mean? Does he really want to have talks or not? The Dalai Lama should not take the talks as a show. If he really wants to have talks with the central government, the most important task for him to do now is to create a favorable atmosphere for the talks instead of worsening the atmosphere. The Dalai Lama's intention for the CPC's retirement and step-down has become more obvious recently. He repeated this type of remarks not only in Germany but also on several other occasions including in Taiwan. I hope such remarks are not the Dalai Lama's original idea, but deliberately designed by some people around him in a bid to sabotage the relations between the Dalai Lama and the central government.
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