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UPDATED: 14:55, November 22, 2005
"They will create incidents in order to create dictatorship": Interview (VII)
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Photo:File photo shows Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. is making a speech in October, 2005, in Washington, US.
File photo shows Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. is making a speech in October, 2005, in Washington, US.
Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. is an American political activist and founder of various political organizations in the United States and elsewhere. He is perhaps best known for being a ��perennial candidate�� for U.S. Presidency, having set a minor record for most consecutive attempts at the office by running eight times; Harold Stassen ran for President nine times, but not consecutively. LaRouche has run for the Democratic nomination for President in every election year since 1980, including in 1992 while he was in prison. Yet he and his "LaRouche movement" have gained only limited electoral support, although he has received some support in Democratic presidential primaries.

Although he has no formal qualifications, LaRouche has written extensively on economic, scientific, political, and cultural topics. Critics consider him to be a conspiracy theorist and political attention-seeker. He is frequently described as an extremist, cult leader, a communist, a fascist, and an anti-Semite, all of which he denies. LaRouche is regarded by his followers as a brilliant individual who for political reasons has been unfairly persecuted.

In 1988 LaRouche was sentenced to fifteen years imprisonment for conspiracy, mail fraud, and tax code violations. He continued his political activities from behind bars. He was released in 1994 on parole after having served five years.

LaRouche lists his formal position as a director and contributing editor of the Executive Intelligence Review News Service, a core part of the LaRouche movement.

Recently Yong Tang, People's Daily Online Washington-based staff writer, has conducted an exclusive interview with LaRouche at his home in Virginia.

Yong Tang: Maybe you could be bribed?

LaRouche: No I can't be bribed.

Yong Tang: What if they would come here and say we would give you a very important position in the government?

LaRouche: They wouldn't even try.

Yong Tang: They might say you could work with them with a very high salary?

LaRouche: They test you out at times. If you get that kind of offer and you turn it down, they will probably kill you. They'll try to destroy you, even kill you. If they make an offer and you turn that down, they're going to punish you. They do that.

Yong Tang: Right after the 911 terrorist attacks occurred, you claimed during an interview that the tragic event was not done by Osama Bin Laden but by some secret elements inside the American establishment. Do you still believe in that today?

LaRouche: The same thing. Osama bin Laden is an asset of a certain U.S. interest. That's just what he is... He is a member of the Bin Laden family, which is a Saudi family, which is the closest family to the George Bush family, to this whole crowd. Now Osama Bin Laden was a drunk, a carouser, a womanizer. Like many Saudis are. They're devout Islam, but they drink and they sodomize and they do everything like that. So he became a part of the Anglo-American operations which had been set up by Brzezinski in Afghanistan. It was called the ``soft underbelly of the Soviet Union.''

Now that organization still exists and it's still running the operation against the former Soviet Union inside Central Asia and the Caucasia today. The Orange Revolution is a part of the same thing. The same operations. A live operation. Even the Xinjiang operation against China was done by the same people. Osama Bin Laden is part of it. He is still part of it. Now what they did is at a certain point they cut him loose. That is, they broke the open tie to him.

Now the operation that was done on 911 was done as an operation from the inside of the United States. In order to run an operation like that, you decorate it with certain foreign elements. So now you take a few dead bodies, you scatter them around as evidence. You know, the scene of the crime, you have some dead bodies there. You say ``Ah, they did it. This guy did it!'' You have the dead bodies that are left behind. Or some people actually participated. But who set the operation up?

The operation was one I warned against in January 2001. And I said that this government is incompetent, and we have to expect that very soon we will experience something like Herman Goering did in the Reichstag fire in 1933. And that's exactly what happened. And the operation was set up as an inside operation by inside intelligence capabilities using assets from various parts of the world. Osama Bin Laden was an integral part, and is an integral part of this capability they used. So, therefore, what they do is they turn the thing around. ``Osama Bin Laden did it!'' In fact, Osama Bin Laden couldn't have done it. It's beyond his capabilities. Could people tied to Osama Bin Laden turn up as dead bodies in this thing? Of course! What do you expect? That's the way it's done. When the police want to commit a crime, they will take a certain criminal. They'll commit the crime and they'll shoot the criminal at the scene of the crime. That proves that he did it. And people believe it.

Yong Tang: How do you think of the possibility of another September 11?

LaRouche: They would love to do it. You have to realize that you're in a period where we are on the edge of fascist dictatorships. When you have a general financial crisis, when the system doesn't work any more, when the political system doesn't work, in that case, certain governments will do what happened in Germany. They will create incidents in order to create dictatorship.

Now the way you do that is you create something frightening. You terrify the people. Then the people who are being terrified are willing to submit to strong measures of government. What they have is the Patriot Act now. They did it. Bush was a failure, a total failure. But people still say, ��But he's the PRESIDENT. Oh, but he's the PRESIDENT! ��Why do people call this failure THE PRESIDENT. Because they are frightened and they're desperate. That's the way fear works. Fear is used as a weapon to control people. And it's used by ``You could be next!'', ``It could be you next!'' ``It could hit you!'' ``It could hit you!'' ``Aah, You might be next!'' That's the way it's done.

This kind of incident, the use of terror as an instrument of government, like this, is not new. The French Revolution of July 1789 was that. The French Revolution was organized by the British Government. Philipe Egalite was an agent of Jeremy Bentham and Company, an agent of Lord Shelburne, who organized the whole organization which ran the July 1789 Revolution on behalf of Jacques Neckar who was an agent of Lord Shelburne. You think about how the history of Europe was changed by that event and the following event. The Jacobin Terror was run by British agents from London. So this is a common business, a common practice in government, to find that these methods are used, these so-called intelligence methods which are used constantly to orchestrate politics by trying to orchestrate mass perceptions.

Yong Tang: You often say that Western civilization is dying and you're going to save it. Why do you say this?

LaRouche: Well, because, actually, the history of Europe contains a very important element for all humanity. It starts with Egypt actually. Egypt was probably from about 8000 BC emerged as a product of a certain kind of culture which had existed as an international maritime culture, world maritime culture. Remember, you go back 20,000 years, and the northern hemisphere was dominated by big glaciations in which glaciers ran accumulations of hundreds of feet. In that period the oceans were four hundred feet lower than they are today, so that the coastal areas then are four hundred feet possibly below the sea level today on our coast. The development of river populations, as in China, for example, came later. River populations developed out of maritime populations which are sea-going populations, which after the melting of the glaciers came up the rivers and began to move up the big thick parts of the rivers and to get settlements along the side of the rivers. So you have the river development, which is the second phase, the first were the oceans.

Now one of the developments was the Nile. The Nile at that time was a big river because Africa, during this period of the glaciers, was wet. North Africa was very wet. It had vast, vast rains. The desert is now a new phenomenon of the recent 10,000 years, like in the Middle East. So in that period, the mouth of the Nile was one of the big entry points for the settlement of maritime culture. So the culture of Europe came out of Egypt, out of this development in Egypt of a special culture which is based on a maritime culture, based on astronomy and astrophysics. So this culture went through various kinds of crises, but it had a continuity, as we see in the pyramids, the late pyramids of over 5,00 years ago.

So this culture then created Greek culture. The Greek culture of Thales of Miletus, the culture of the Pythagoreans, the culture of Plato all came out of this. In this concept, there came the concept of man, of science, what became modern science, it started there. The idea of the nation-state as a nation of a people as opposed to a nation of conquered peoples, came then.

So the important thing in European civilization is this thread of development, which actually started out of Egypt on the effect on Greece, on Greek culture of this idea of the nation-state, of the nation-state of all the people.

We didn't realize such a civilization, such a state, until the 15th century in Europe. But the idea of getting such a state was an important idea, the idea of science, the idea of this was of importance for European civilization. What has happened is the opposition to this has always tried to destroy this, to corrupt it. We have the Roman Empire and so forth which are efforts to destroy this kind of thing.

So therefore what the world needs is a system of nation-states, it needs a system of sovereign nation-states. Asia needs that. All parts of the world need that. So therefore, what we have in European civilization is the idea of the sovereign nation-state. These ideas which are traced from Egypt into Greece are very important to humanity as a whole.

Look at China, for example, the question of how to rebuild China as a nation-state after what the British had done. It was the same thing. It was this idea. Sun Yat-sen was off-shore Chinese, educated in Hawaii, became the hero of China, of China's struggle, and had these ideas. These ideas were very influential among off-shore Chinese at first, and then they spread back into the mainland. It was the idea of organizing a Chinese Revolution, a Chinese Republic.

So it is in that sense that these ideas which come from this European experience are one of the precious assets of all humanity. Therefore, the important thing is not just the nations as such. The important thing is to save these ideas for humanity. Take the case of China today. What are we going to do about the many poor people in China? The very large part of the population of China is poor. How we realize a solution to this problem with the aid of science? These ideas are very important. It's important to get cooperation around such ideas among nations to solve this problem. Therefore that's the importance of Europe. It's not just Europe as an area, it's these ideas, the idea of mankind, the idea of a nation-state.

By Yong Tang, People's Daily Online Washington-based Staff Writer

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